Comments on: Death bombs and the end times http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/ A Fly Fishing Season in Scotland Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:21:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mike http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-160 Mike Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:48:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-160 :)<br /><br />...though that of course assumes the rivers will ever be fishable again which seems unlikely right now.. :)

…though that of course assumes the rivers will ever be fishable again which seems unlikely right now..

]]> By: Alex http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-159 Alex Fri, 05 Jan 2007 12:38:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-159 Bailliff: "Hi Mike, how'd you get on today?"<br /><br />Mike: "I've had some stonking grayling."<br /><br />Bailiff: "Good man! What's your tactic?"<br /><br />Mike: "The Bomb!" Bailliff: “Hi Mike, how’d you get on today?”

Mike: “I’ve had some stonking grayling.”

Bailiff: “Good man! What’s your tactic?”

Mike: “The Bomb!”

]]> By: Mike http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-158 Mike Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:26:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-158 Actually Ed that's what some folks do. Different anglers argue that the heaviest fly should be placed either on the middle or point. The advantage with the middle position is I think it tends to help both the point fly and top dropper to fish deeper than if the heavy fly is on the point. <br /><br />Who knows..?! Actually Ed that’s what some folks do. Different anglers argue that the heaviest fly should be placed either on the middle or point. The advantage with the middle position is I think it tends to help both the point fly and top dropper to fish deeper than if the heavy fly is on the point.

Who knows..?!

]]> By: Ed. http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-157 Ed. Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:57:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-157 (Disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about.)<br /><br />You could put the heavy bomb on the end using slightly thinner leader, so if you snagged that one, in theory, it would break off and leave the other two flies (although I guess it could bend the hook of the penultimate fly if that's how you're going fly to fly).<br /><br />All I know is I want to travel around the world and fish with you guys! (Disclaimer: I don’t know what I’m talking about.)

You could put the heavy bomb on the end using slightly thinner leader, so if you snagged that one, in theory, it would break off and leave the other two flies (although I guess it could bend the hook of the penultimate fly if that’s how you’re going fly to fly).

All I know is I want to travel around the world and fish with you guys!

]]> By: opax http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-156 opax Tue, 02 Jan 2007 12:15:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-156 I don't think that graylings are too picky. And Stroft is my choice as well. I don’t think that graylings are too picky. And Stroft is my choice as well.

]]> By: Mike http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-155 Mike Tue, 02 Jan 2007 10:42:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-155 Hi opax, I've often wondered about using much stronger mono. Maybe something like 6 or 8lb stroft would work well. Hi opax, I’ve often wondered about using much stronger mono. Maybe something like 6 or 8lb stroft would work well.

]]> By: opax http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-154 opax Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:59:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-154 Excellent post and nice discussion Mike and Ed!<br /><br />Two comments:<br />About the Pink. I once discussed about this matter with a competition fly fisher. He said that the pink fly is attractor that draws fish from a way from its feeding lane but the fish might actually prefer other - more natural flies. So the pink fly might do it's work even when you don't get strikes on it.<br /><br />Snags. In some river bottoms, the snags with these kinds of rigs can be really painful. There are at least two ways to reduce snag effects: <br />- Use thicker leader (I usually switch from 4X to 2X).<br />- Put the weight (in form of large splitshot) on the end of the leader. Excellent post and nice discussion Mike and Ed!

Two comments:
About the Pink. I once discussed about this matter with a competition fly fisher. He said that the pink fly is attractor that draws fish from a way from its feeding lane but the fish might actually prefer other – more natural flies. So the pink fly might do it’s work even when you don’t get strikes on it.

Snags. In some river bottoms, the snags with these kinds of rigs can be really painful. There are at least two ways to reduce snag effects:
- Use thicker leader (I usually switch from 4X to 2X).
- Put the weight (in form of large splitshot) on the end of the leader.

]]> By: Mike http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-153 Mike Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:10:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-153 No problem Ed, nice to have you drop by. I generally use a curved grub hook when tying my grayling flies, including for the bomb. This means when it's in the water it tends to fish upside down with the hook point upermost. This certainly reduces the number of snags as the fly tends to glide over rocks. But of course there are snags sometimes, and it's potluck as to how much of your leader you'll lose. If I was really clever about it then using different strength mono for the different leader sections might be a good way to control this and reduce how often you loose everything. But to be honest life's too short.<br /><br />The rivers I fish vary quite a lot. The best habitat for grayling seems to be a nice gravely bottom, and this certainly reduces the number of snags. On some rivers there are bigger rocks though which can be a real pain. In general you want to be careful about how you choose to weight your leader, matching the bomb size to the depth and speed of current. But there's not a lot that will help you to avoid the odd lurking rock. No problem Ed, nice to have you drop by. I generally use a curved grub hook when tying my grayling flies, including for the bomb. This means when it’s in the water it tends to fish upside down with the hook point upermost. This certainly reduces the number of snags as the fly tends to glide over rocks. But of course there are snags sometimes, and it’s potluck as to how much of your leader you’ll lose. If I was really clever about it then using different strength mono for the different leader sections might be a good way to control this and reduce how often you loose everything. But to be honest life’s too short.

The rivers I fish vary quite a lot. The best habitat for grayling seems to be a nice gravely bottom, and this certainly reduces the number of snags. On some rivers there are bigger rocks though which can be a real pain. In general you want to be careful about how you choose to weight your leader, matching the bomb size to the depth and speed of current. But there’s not a lot that will help you to avoid the odd lurking rock.

]]> By: Ed. http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-152 Ed. Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:12:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-152 Thanks much, I appreciate it. I am not fishing for grayling, but sometimes do fish where I need to get the fly very deep (salmon, steelhead, even smallmouth in colder water) and I think it just helps to learn and understand how other people do things. You never know when something will end up being the perfect formula.<br /><br />For instance, when salmon fishing, most people I've seen who are successful at it use about 6 feet of leader to a swivel, then a lighter tippet of about four feet. But they leave the tag end long when tying the tippet to the swivel, and put the weight on that tag end. So when you (inevitably) get the weight snagged, often times you end up pulling the weights off the tag, and never lose a fly.<br /><br />Where you typically fish this kind of set up you describe, what is the bottom of the river like? Do you get snagged a lot?<br /><br />thanks again. Thanks much, I appreciate it. I am not fishing for grayling, but sometimes do fish where I need to get the fly very deep (salmon, steelhead, even smallmouth in colder water) and I think it just helps to learn and understand how other people do things. You never know when something will end up being the perfect formula.

For instance, when salmon fishing, most people I’ve seen who are successful at it use about 6 feet of leader to a swivel, then a lighter tippet of about four feet. But they leave the tag end long when tying the tippet to the swivel, and put the weight on that tag end. So when you (inevitably) get the weight snagged, often times you end up pulling the weights off the tag, and never lose a fly.

Where you typically fish this kind of set up you describe, what is the bottom of the river like? Do you get snagged a lot?

thanks again.

]]> By: Mike http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/comment-page-1/#comment-151 Mike Mon, 01 Jan 2007 14:00:00 +0000 http://tamanawis.co.uk/2006/12/death-bombs-and-the-end-times/#comment-151 Meant to say, use mono of something like 5lb breaking strain, depending on water conditions. I like Stroft which I know is also very popular with the European anglers that originated this general method. It's supple and pretty fine for its strength. Meant to say, use mono of something like 5lb breaking strain, depending on water conditions. I like Stroft which I know is also very popular with the European anglers that originated this general method. It’s supple and pretty fine for its strength.

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